Morgan Pillsbury Gell

Born:  Carolyn Anne Barteaux

Understanding Psychopaths

As you read the deposition below you will see Morgan made no attempt to help me after Craig knocked me unconscious.  Craig never apologized to me.  The date was January 1997.  Around this date I have discovered, to my shock, what was happening to us financially.  Craig had never filed his taxes, though when we married he had agreed to do so and gone to my accountant to have his past due IRS Returns made out.  Craig was hospitalized.  I undertood to take care of the problem, my accountant told me we would be paying penalties for about five years.

I told Craig I would handle it.  We would pay no penalties and we would receive a refund.  I was right. I wrote an article about Craig's non-filing.  You're Not Paranoid – The IRS is out to get you
      The article includes the letter I wrote to the therapist who affirmed to the IRS Craig was emotionally disabled and could not file his taxes.  It also includes the letter I wrote to the IRS which resulted in refund checks beginning to affive about six weeks after I wrote the IRS.  
      The Declaration from Ayn Pillsbury on Craig's violence and devious behavior.  Ayn is very matter-of-fact, as you will see.  She is very different from Morgan.   June 1999

Melinda Pillsbury-Foster never read Morgan's Deposition until 2022, this being to painful to revisit. Melinda's comments are available on this page, below the Deposition.  

Morgan's Deposition
February 22, 2001

  Testimony of battery on Melinda by Craig begins on Page 8

Viewing of battery ends on page 14

Page 15 – shoves or hits, language by Craig attorney

Page 16 – more on attack on Melinda.  Introduction of attack on Dawn

Page 17 – Melinda still unconscious, Craig flounces out of the room.

                  Melinda is unconscious at the end of the page

Page 18 – Pina wants to know if Morgan witnessed an attack before.

Page 19- Pina asks about the attack on Dawn at LAX

Page20 – Pina continues to ask about the attack on Dawn at LAX, then shifts to her relationship with Craig, which she says was not close. 

Page 21- Morgan’s phone calls with Craig, which she says were about one a week and on politics. 

Page 22- Morgan says by January 1998 they were talking on the phone every day.

Page 22 – She is helping Craig to divorce me prior to January 1998 and he asks her to  find him an attorney,  She says she did so.

Page 23 – In her discussions with Craig she agrees with him that Melinda is an evil person.  She adds that she does not think he will because he has talked to her about it all the time.   

Page 24 – Angry with her mother because she feels her mother us abandoning her.  [at this time Morgan is 30 years old.  She spent the money having a relationship, she says, with Eddy Van Halen instead of attending college, which we helped pay for.  Then she decided to be an actress and we paid for acting lessons and other expenses. ]

Page 25 – Pina asks about help she is receiving from Melinda for a psychologist for her claimed Borderline Personality Disorder and from Craig and says Craig was giving her$5,000 a month until September 1999.  [check with Morgan on this]
Pina asks for how many months Morgan was receiving $5,000 a month from Craig.

Page 26 – Morgan says she was receiving $5,000 a month from Craig until February 1999 [This is after she signed the phony loan agreement]  Morgan felt she did not have a choice.

Page 27 – Signed loan agreement because she wanted to keep getting the money.  She says this twice on the page in different ways and is directly asked by Craig began pressuring her to find him women.  [He had money then and this is the time when he had hooked up with Anne.  He had an intended victim ready.] 

Page 28 – Morgan is asked if she thinks she has to pay Craig back.  She evades, citing her emotional problems. Attorney asks how Craig used me to get back at Melinda.

Page29 – Morgan says Craig is using her to get close to her boyfriend, Eugene Volokh.  She says  Craig is lying to people about having dinner with Eugene in NY and that he, Craig, and Eugene were friends.  This was never true.  Morgan goes on to say Craig was also using Morgan’s political contacts, which were either mine or Eugene’s to get close to people in politics. Craig expected Morgan to introduce him to good looking women, young, blond beautiful women.

Page 30 – Morgan is uncertain if any of this got back to Melinda.  [I know it did.  Craig and Emerling were slandering me and I heard comments on this and some friends stopped talking to me.]
     Morgan goes on to say Craig changed the stock around to prevent me from getting my marital share. [ I know the name of the woman attorney who did the evasive work for GHS.  It is Ruth Fisher, practicing in Los Angeles.  I have a transcript of her recording with Craig in late 1999.]  Morgan ends the page by saying when asked that she had told too many lies to name.  [Very true]

Page 31 – Morgan Is asked to give examples of her lies.  She names having told her mother she had a heart problem and says this is not true.  She also admits telling Craig she needed a medical procedure as a result of a heart problem.  Morgan again admits lying.  [Craig knew Morgan did not have a heart problem.]  Craig gave her the $10,000 as payment for persuading me to turn off Arthur’s life support so his organs could be donated.]

Page 32 – Morgan says she gave me all the tapes she made of Craig. [ I strongly doubt this is true.  She said there were numerous tapes and I only knew of one at this point, which she gave to my attorney who did not return it to me.]
Morgan cannot recall how many tapes she made of Craig.  [ There were many, I am sure]

Page 33 – Morgan is asked, and admits to making 2 or three tapes of Craig.  She is asked how long the tape(s) were and responds that once you got him talking he went on forever.  She estimates 45 minutes in length.
Pina and Porter talking about the tapes and transcripts.  Jackie is mentioned as having received copies. 

Page 34 – Starting on the previous page Pina asks Morgan if her manner with Craig changed after she started talking to Melinda. She affirms that it did and that she told him she was talking to Melinda. 
Morgan describes feeling angry with Craig for coming to her apartment in Los Angeles and sitting there and telling her how he fantasizes sexually about her, Morgan, and her sisters, Dawn and Ayn.  When he came down to the apartment he laid down on her bed. 
Asked by counsel she says she was upset by Craig’s behavior because they were supposed to see him as a father figure.

Page 35 – Another question on two pages, beginning on 34.  Morgan is asked when the tapes were made.  Porter objects and the rest of the page has the details, which itemizes four conversations taped on three microcassettes.  Morgan says she continued to have phone conversations with him until they went to court – this rolls over to the next page.

Page 36 – Morgan says she thinks her first appearance in court was January 2000 but is not sure.  Counsel tells her they will figure that out.  Morgan says Craig did not know she was recording him.  Craig discovered this, the counsel says, when this lawsuit was filed. 
Page ends with counsel asking how often Craig and she were talking after he knew she was recording him.

Page 37 – Morgan says they were talking once a week or so. 
Counsel defines three kinds of conversations.  Those about Melinda, those about politics, and things Craig wanted her to do for him. 

Page 38 – Counsel asks about her conversations with Craig about finding him women and his criticisms of her for not bringing them over to him, instead expecting him to come over to meet them.  Counsel then asks who her boy friend was.  Morgan does not want to answer. Discussing this point the two counsels agree Craig knows who Morgan’s boy friend was and so this does not need to be answered. 

Page 39 – Pina is still fishing for Eugene’s name which Morgan again declines to give him.  They then move on to Exhibit 1 to her deposition.  Counsels go off the record. 
Morgan is shown a document and asked if she is familiar with it.  She identifies her own signature. 

Page 40 – Reiteration of having signed loan agreement with Craig because she needed the $5,000 a month.

Page 41 - Morgan thought if she signed she would continue to get $5,000 a month.   

Page 42 – Morgan cites Borderline Personality Syndrome and emotional problems for failing to read the document or ask questions.

Page 43 – Morgan says her mother never demanded she be repaid and that she did not steal the ring intended for Melinda by her father.

Page 44 – Morgan is asked about the ring again, cites the ring in question and says she can’t remember of has no memory of stealing it.  Morgan says she did run up bills and her mother paid them. Morgan can’t remember because of her emotional problems and her borderline issue.

Page 45 – Pina cites a list of bills Melinda was paying for her and Morgan agrees.  Porter points out that the money was joint property, so Craig is also paying.  The car Morgan is driving is mentioned.  Morgan admits she is earning nothing. 

Page 46 – What Morgan is stating is not true.  Melinda, that is me,  told her Craig had demanded we begin reducing what she would receive so she would be motivated to go get a job.  I did not agree, but Craig demanded I stop paying Morgan’s bills.  There was no fight over this and I told Morgan her monthly allowance would be reduced slowly.   

I explained Craig’s demand to her and grudgingly agreed Morgan needed to get a job.  But the timing did not make sense to me.  I thought she would be marrying Eugene and then would not have to worry about money within that year.  Since I had paid all of our bills and taken care of the IRS and was focused on caring for Arthur making this demand, which Morgan evidently thought was immediate,  would not even have occurred to me. 

Page 47 – Counsels note that these payments stopped just before Craig began paying Morgan to help him.

Page 48 – Deposition ends as both counsels notice the relationship between Melinda no longer paying Morgan’s bills and Craig doing so.
  
​And that was the story Morgan conveyed.